The real question is "Will changing the ticket have any effect on the undecided voters in the handful of swing states which will decide the election?" The voters in Sebastopol really have no say in the matter.
I feel that a new candidate could invigorate the democratic side of the election race. May also bring in some younger voters who are on the fence, or independents who are not happy with either current candidate, nor with RFK Jr. Another candidate I've felt highly about is Amy Klobuchar
United States Senator from Minnesota. She's 64, so a bit younger than both Bernie Sanders(82) and Elizabeth Warren(75), which could appease those looking for a younger candidate to get behind.
Yes! I have been surprised she is not mentioned often. (Gretchen Widmere, also from the midwest) is the one usually suggested. Perhaps because as governor she has executive branch experience. But Amy Klobuchar has national recognition from her debate appearances in 2020. And her more middle of the road approach will appeal to those few center-right folks whom it would be good to win over if the agreed upon priority is to prevent a second Trump term.
The other question that might be asked—should the Republican party replace their candidate because he's a convicted felon, lied bigly the whole debate, and didn't actually answer the questions.
Well…..good question but…..I hope they don’t replace him,,,,,,,so many of us will do everything we can to keep him from returning to the White House….might not work so hard against someone else.
It scares me to change at this late date. Who can beat Trump besides Joe? He has been a remarkable president and I believe while he is not a performer, he can continue to lead and inspire the world.
I wish we had someone younger but Biden is our best choice right now and with the wonderful K, Harris as Vice President if he doesn't make it through, we'll have a Great Woman President!!
As reprehensible as republicans continue to behave, with media complicity, ANY alternative to Biden would be certain to have ANY questionable life-detail tossed to undecided voters. For example, our ignorant citizens reelected war criminals, Cheney/Bush in preference to the swift-boated John Kerry, and Howard Dean yelled to vehemently, and Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders would be opposed by the democrats as well as the media.
Media headlines said Biden flopped, not Trump is a fascist felon that lied virtually every time he spoke. The “framing” sets the tone and we tolerant liberals follow the lead…
HCR is a long-time personal friend of Biden’s. Of course she would defend his performance. Actually, the best, and most honest recap, I read or heard was the podcast The Political Scene produced by the New Yorker magazine.
He has gotten this country up the road a long way from what was inherited. “Dance with the one that brung ya”. I’ll take integrity and empathy and character over bombastic lies every time. On the age “thing”, “Age is only a number”.
Yes, sometimes that's true. But Joe is clearly in early cognitive decline (and perhaps not so early). And that will only get worse. His advisors, Jill Biden and his election team are not doing him (or the country) a favor by hiding this.
Anyone watch RFK, Jr 'join' the debate on X last night? Was pretty great. How refreshing to have an intelligent adult running for President, talking about real problems & putting forth real solutions. No need to pick between Biden (or his replacement) & Trump. Bobby is ready & uniquely positioned to bring urgently needed change & progress -- free of the corporate influence that dominates both parties.
Robert Kennedy Jr , aside from his mental and emotional issues, has little to no experience governing. A vote for this anti-vaxxer is a shame and a waste
I don’t know much about Bobby…..altho many people don’t like him at all…..but what I Do know is that right now….the way our two party system runs the country….a vote for him is a vote for tRump.
In California (and other non-swing states) your vote for Joe, Bobby, or even The Donald has no effect on the result of the election, because California's electoral votes will go to Biden.
However, your vote for a third-party candidate has more media effect than a vote for Biden, because if enough voters get fed up enough to vote third-party, the press may notice, even when California voters as a whole will still vote Democrat.
On the other hand, in a swing state, voting for Bobby is either a vote for Trump or a vote for Biden, depending on the person voting. For example, if Kennedy's anti-vax and other far-right policies appeal to some far-right voters in swing states, then one of their votes for Kennedy is a vote for Biden.
I was an uncommitted voter, as I will not support anyone who approves of and funds genocide. I have been watching Joe’s cognitive decline for the last several months, which began with him spouting Israeli lies about October 7th, beheaded babies, etc. And since the disaster of the debate, Joe has done his share of raving and pounding the pulpit. One of the hallmarks of cognitive decline is poor decision making, as well as big emotional displays. Personally, I think he's freaking out. I know well the early signs of cognitive decline. Biden is in the later stage of early cognitive decline and I'm afraid it won’t improve!
If Biden stays in and loses we’ll blame him. If he steps down and the new candidate loses, whom ever it is, we’ll blame him for stepping down.
From day one Harris should have been out in front of the American people so we could see her competency (or not) and feel better about a 2nd Biden administration.
Harris has had so few sightings because she is in over her head. We knew this a long time ago. Combine her incompetence with Biden's obvious cognitive limitations that have been apparent for years and the result would be a severe lack of trust in the party. Frankly there should be a lack of trust already, those two are bozos
I do not view her as either over her head or incompetent. My take is that Biden has put her on the back burner because that’s how he was treated as VP. This was/is a strategic error on Biden’s part. As for Biden, despite his perceived “cognitive problems” he’s done more in 3 plus years than at least the last 4 presidents. He’s never been an articulate speaker. At least partially due to his stutter. I admire someone who can be successful even with one strike against them. You or I may not like some or most his foreign policies (NATO for example) but he’s been very effective.
She is plain and simple. Kamala doesn't have what it takes.
Joe's cognitive problems are not perceived nor have they been for quite a while. He is a shell of himself. View his footage from 4 years ago and it is strikingly obvious. His capacity to perform has been limited and by no means under any circumstances would I view his tenure as a president successful. He's a life long politician who is part of the problem and I'll be glad to see him go away
Cognitive decline is a one way street. We all know it. We've all seen our favorite grandfolks get there. There's no 'good night sleep and a lozenge' that'll prep Joe for a better next debate. There's also no world where anyone but Kamala will earn the voting base necessary to win. The real question is who is Kamala's #2? And is the DNC prepared to make that happen?
The real question is "Will changing the ticket have any effect on the undecided voters in the handful of swing states which will decide the election?" The voters in Sebastopol really have no say in the matter.
I feel that a new candidate could invigorate the democratic side of the election race. May also bring in some younger voters who are on the fence, or independents who are not happy with either current candidate, nor with RFK Jr. Another candidate I've felt highly about is Amy Klobuchar
United States Senator from Minnesota. She's 64, so a bit younger than both Bernie Sanders(82) and Elizabeth Warren(75), which could appease those looking for a younger candidate to get behind.
Yes! I have been surprised she is not mentioned often. (Gretchen Widmere, also from the midwest) is the one usually suggested. Perhaps because as governor she has executive branch experience. But Amy Klobuchar has national recognition from her debate appearances in 2020. And her more middle of the road approach will appeal to those few center-right folks whom it would be good to win over if the agreed upon priority is to prevent a second Trump term.
The other question that might be asked—should the Republican party replace their candidate because he's a convicted felon, lied bigly the whole debate, and didn't actually answer the questions.
Well…..good question but…..I hope they don’t replace him,,,,,,,so many of us will do everything we can to keep him from returning to the White House….might not work so hard against someone else.
Should be asked…
It was sad. We couldn’t watch more than five minutes of it.
It was humiliating. Not just for Biden, but for our whole country.
It scares me to change at this late date. Who can beat Trump besides Joe? He has been a remarkable president and I believe while he is not a performer, he can continue to lead and inspire the world.
He can only do that if he gets re-elected.
I wish we had someone younger but Biden is our best choice right now and with the wonderful K, Harris as Vice President if he doesn't make it through, we'll have a Great Woman President!!
As reprehensible as republicans continue to behave, with media complicity, ANY alternative to Biden would be certain to have ANY questionable life-detail tossed to undecided voters. For example, our ignorant citizens reelected war criminals, Cheney/Bush in preference to the swift-boated John Kerry, and Howard Dean yelled to vehemently, and Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders would be opposed by the democrats as well as the media.
Media headlines said Biden flopped, not Trump is a fascist felon that lied virtually every time he spoke. The “framing” sets the tone and we tolerant liberals follow the lead…
I think Heather Cox Richardson has given by far the best discussion of last night's debate. https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/june-27-2024?publication_id=20533&post_id=146071921&isFreemail=false&r=clhf&triedRedirect=true
HCR is a long-time personal friend of Biden’s. Of course she would defend his performance. Actually, the best, and most honest recap, I read or heard was the podcast The Political Scene produced by the New Yorker magazine.
He has gotten this country up the road a long way from what was inherited. “Dance with the one that brung ya”. I’ll take integrity and empathy and character over bombastic lies every time. On the age “thing”, “Age is only a number”.
Yes, sometimes that's true. But Joe is clearly in early cognitive decline (and perhaps not so early). And that will only get worse. His advisors, Jill Biden and his election team are not doing him (or the country) a favor by hiding this.
If we cannot come up with a candidate that can beat Joe, we need to fight like hell to get Joe elected.
Otherwise, we will end up with Trump, by default. Suggestions?
Anyone watch RFK, Jr 'join' the debate on X last night? Was pretty great. How refreshing to have an intelligent adult running for President, talking about real problems & putting forth real solutions. No need to pick between Biden (or his replacement) & Trump. Bobby is ready & uniquely positioned to bring urgently needed change & progress -- free of the corporate influence that dominates both parties.
Sorry Tom, “Bobby”, is a nut case.
I suspect if you listened to him speak at length, you would not believe that nonsense.
I have listened to him. I agree with his family who know him much better than I do.
Robert Kennedy Jr , aside from his mental and emotional issues, has little to no experience governing. A vote for this anti-vaxxer is a shame and a waste
Yes, I agree.
I don’t know much about Bobby…..altho many people don’t like him at all…..but what I Do know is that right now….the way our two party system runs the country….a vote for him is a vote for tRump.
In California (and other non-swing states) your vote for Joe, Bobby, or even The Donald has no effect on the result of the election, because California's electoral votes will go to Biden.
However, your vote for a third-party candidate has more media effect than a vote for Biden, because if enough voters get fed up enough to vote third-party, the press may notice, even when California voters as a whole will still vote Democrat.
On the other hand, in a swing state, voting for Bobby is either a vote for Trump or a vote for Biden, depending on the person voting. For example, if Kennedy's anti-vax and other far-right policies appeal to some far-right voters in swing states, then one of their votes for Kennedy is a vote for Biden.
Replace Biden with Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren
Curious how many people who voted for Biden in primaries now chose to “replace him”? Be honest.
I would have voted for Dean
I was an uncommitted voter, as I will not support anyone who approves of and funds genocide. I have been watching Joe’s cognitive decline for the last several months, which began with him spouting Israeli lies about October 7th, beheaded babies, etc. And since the disaster of the debate, Joe has done his share of raving and pounding the pulpit. One of the hallmarks of cognitive decline is poor decision making, as well as big emotional displays. Personally, I think he's freaking out. I know well the early signs of cognitive decline. Biden is in the later stage of early cognitive decline and I'm afraid it won’t improve!
Baby Bobby is a strange person and to me a political opportunist
And from my perspective, you are being kind.
If Biden stays in and loses we’ll blame him. If he steps down and the new candidate loses, whom ever it is, we’ll blame him for stepping down.
From day one Harris should have been out in front of the American people so we could see her competency (or not) and feel better about a 2nd Biden administration.
Harris has had so few sightings because she is in over her head. We knew this a long time ago. Combine her incompetence with Biden's obvious cognitive limitations that have been apparent for years and the result would be a severe lack of trust in the party. Frankly there should be a lack of trust already, those two are bozos
I do not view her as either over her head or incompetent. My take is that Biden has put her on the back burner because that’s how he was treated as VP. This was/is a strategic error on Biden’s part. As for Biden, despite his perceived “cognitive problems” he’s done more in 3 plus years than at least the last 4 presidents. He’s never been an articulate speaker. At least partially due to his stutter. I admire someone who can be successful even with one strike against them. You or I may not like some or most his foreign policies (NATO for example) but he’s been very effective.
She is plain and simple. Kamala doesn't have what it takes.
Joe's cognitive problems are not perceived nor have they been for quite a while. He is a shell of himself. View his footage from 4 years ago and it is strikingly obvious. His capacity to perform has been limited and by no means under any circumstances would I view his tenure as a president successful. He's a life long politician who is part of the problem and I'll be glad to see him go away
Cognitive decline is a one way street. We all know it. We've all seen our favorite grandfolks get there. There's no 'good night sleep and a lozenge' that'll prep Joe for a better next debate. There's also no world where anyone but Kamala will earn the voting base necessary to win. The real question is who is Kamala's #2? And is the DNC prepared to make that happen?